Depending on whether or not the company occupies the whole building or whole floor or not, the HVAC may not have been upgraded for more ventilation or better filtration. The HIV/STI laws are really, really specific, though, and it involves sexual consent (in a lot of cases). HR: … And irrelevant. I’d love to know…. I’m so angry for you OP. She says everything turned out fine so there’s no need to be mad. I don’t have kids but I imagine trying to get a mask on a toddler would be like trying to put a mask on my cat: time consuming, ultimately pointless and liable to result in many scratches…. She was even still going in when she knew I was in the hospital. My husband and I took our dog (our daughter wanted to be with a friend) to the vet. I also want to know how the security team didn’t know about the jammed door. Spoiler: No leak was found.). Yep,be angry about the blocked door (! If nothing else (and especially if she’s not in crisis), you can discourage her from endlessly venting about the job: “I think we both know this isn’t going to work in the long run, and that you need to look for a job that actually lines up with your experience and career goals. And, all that said, I agree re the court case. She had a serious illness and was on disability for a few months and once told me that she sat at home and cried all day while he was at work because she missed him so much. You are right that the fines do not address causation, but there are possibly other paths to doing that, especially since the manager came to work sick. Oooh, I would 100% go check that door and remove whatever she put there to keep it from latching. The acquaintance told my 2 friends he had 3 symptoms (body aches, no sense of smell or taste). Small tangential nitpick: Just because you were hospitalized doesn’t mean you’ll automatically suffer from Long Covid. That’s awful! Exactly! I’d also consult with a lawyer just to find out if there’s anything you can do to cover yourself financially if you had medical bills stemming from this or end up with more down the future, especially since the long-term effects are unknown and there may be complications down the road. Beyond all the COVID stuff (which alone is terrible), I don’t understand how that alone wasn’t enough for termination. Start with 1/3 cup of water when using add-ins and add more water if necessary to form a stiff dough. Also even if a rando was coming into the office to use the printer (???) It’s a 50% threshold, which is very different from the “beyond a reasonable doubt” for criminal prosecutions. You were in the hospital for a week in fear for your life so there’s a long term impact. That also significantly bolsters LW’s case for causation. What if she’d hit them with her car and they’d survived? so it’s not as jarring as expecting a toddler to immediately adapt in the beginning of the pandemic. I say this as a parent (before I was a parent, I would also have assumed it was more like a cat and basically impossible) the best time of day to apply for jobs, working for an unethical industry, and more, when asked about salary, I say “I’ll start for $X and earn the rest through merit”. You don’t have to be symptomatic to test positive for COVID. OP and her niece should never have been exposed to the coworker at all, and should definitely not have been exposed to her when she was symptomatic. I hope as soon as they can, the OP gets out and gets somewhere better. I have a ton of friends that have had Covid, Many of them are still feeling residual affects months later. It’s not clear to me how your company has responded to this. Same situation! Cut her some slack? Seriously. I know at least one person who games with him is gay, and has asked him and the others to stop using these words, but they haven’t stopped. Something along the lines of “You’ve been so kind to me, and I’ll always be grateful for that, but I need space after this breakup and can’t keep texting like this” will do, followed by, I’m afraid, blocking her number. Exactly. Same!! She’s messaged me about once a month to ask me to do something small, like share something about it on social media. Recently I made this recipe for Chelsea, my friend Shirley’s senior dog. I wouldn’t be truth bombing her on every occasion going forward but I would have to say it at least once before setting the temperature to chilly formality. I do think there’s a great case to be made here for the victim, the niece, possibly the friend, and against both the spreader and the company. And I guess none of the security measures include motion detectors inside the building. I just…how…whyyyyy? Isn’t failing to take disciplinary action against her for sabotaging the locks tacit approval? My 5-8 year olds at school understand why they’re wearing them at an age-appropriate level and take it in stride. The community benefit of masking for SARS-CoV-2 control is due to the combination of these effects.”. Agreed. Honestly she should be fired for essentially breaking into her place of employment and for deceiving everyone about which office she was using. If we weren’t still on great terms, I would start beating the war drums. “Assault” not a civil issue for which the LW can sue for by hiring a lawyer. An anecdote is a single story, so most lawsuits are anecdotal (unless it’s something like a class action). Sadly, the way for management to go on this is addressing the override of security, the violation of company guidelines and the concealment of her presence in the building. It can be considered assault. I, too, am shocked that she wasn’t fired. The Cost: $22 for the Starter box, $34.99 per month for the Monthly BoxDog, and $39.99 per quarter for the GIANT Quarterly BoxDog. Division Head is rewarded for working. Also, there are varying levels of intent for both criminal and civil law–e.g. it’s not sure that coworker is in fact the index patient. OP, I hope your company has a come to Jesus moment and you get some resolution. Q. Send any medical bills, deductibles etc, to her and/or the company including a huge bill for friend having to take care of a sick child. What is an outsider took advantage of the jammed door and broke in and burglarized the place, or stole confidential material , or used the unlocked premise to commit a crime such as assault? Can’t reply directly to Gaia because of nesting, but I don’t think the smallest kids find it confusing or upsetting…either they take it in stride, like at least one toddler I know, or they just find the mask irritating and don’t really understand the “people are dying” part. I took time off work, took the dog to the vet, and made more expensive visits to the emergency vet. Since you have “good” insurance, the odds that you’ll be able to find someone in-network is pretty good. It doesn’t matter that she’s always been kind, or how good her intentions are—you can’t stay in this relationship, and that’s what matters. And just…what the heck??? She wakes me up and makes me escort her down. manslaughter is a crime where intent does not usually matter; if someone does something radically stupid that anyone reasonable could have foreseen could cause serious injury or death, that’s usually manslaughter. How could you possibly trust an employee who’s behaved this way? I have no advice on how to act because…well I’d be screaming. The “cut her some slack” bit has me wondering if she gave an excuse as to why she felt she had to work in the office. There is a very obvious cause/effect here. Insanity. The bigger issue really is the fact that this is part of a larger pattern. I would be LIVID. Maybe they are 20% responsible to the woman’s 80%? If you don’t get them … well, your company sucks and I’m sorry. There are a lot of people who have to chose between coming to work sick or not being able to feed themselves or their kids but she isn’t one of them. Does she think this is a viable long-term solution, or does she have a backup plan? She tested positive for COVID-19 and two days after my friend got sick and she tested positive too. I rescued him as a stray about 7 months ago, he quickly grew to love me and quite literally became obsessed with me, I wasn’t allowed to leave him home alone it upset him very much. Taking that into consideration I’m surprised she hasn’t been fired. If she were asymptomatic, she would still test positive. That is someone who cannot be trusted and needs to be fired ASAP, for employee and client protection. You need a code even to get into the garage. I have allergies too so I get what you mean. So, even if everyone wants to play dumb and downplay 10 days in the hospital(!!!) my first concern was what were her medical bills from being hospitalized for the week and were those taken over yet by her employer. Getting her fired? Pandemic wouldn’t have entered into it. I don’t even know you, and I’m livid on your behalf! Towards the beginning of the year we had to do a little, “This is to keep other people safe,” reinforcement, but after a week or two that pretty much died down. If the OP had to come in to the office to do work that is “legally required”, I’m going to guess the answer to that question is “yes”. If in US I’d file a Workers Comp claim. I think OP could sue the manager in civil court anyway, maybe? I’m a hiker, and if trails aren’t semi-busy, I stay off of them. And this month, they're offering a limited-edition Home Alone box featuring movie-themed dog … If you can’t get worker’s comp you have lost PTO or sick time because of this Typhoid Mary. If I hadn’t even been tested for COVID, and someone else kept accusing me of giving it them, I’d be the one making It’s possible that your company has taken this seriously — that your division head faced some sort of real accountability for this and that they’ve put new procedures in place to make sure this can’t happen again — and if that’s the case, your manager and HR might be right that you and they now need to find a way to move forward. If there was ever a reason to name and shame through leaking this story to a reporter, I’d think this would be it. Not every unlocked door is going to result in a break in. Yes this. So the kind of intent specified in the post is not even necessary for all criminal charges. if OP and her niece and been no closer to ANYONE than about 20 feet, while outside, since last March, they could only have gotten COVID from the person breaking into their office, repeatedly. I have, too. The problem is, I’ve heard so many horror stories about medical bills in the U.S. that I’m very wary of seeing a medical professional or therapist here. OP was expecting to have the office and building to herself, so she probably wore a fairly ordinary mask–not an N95-equivalent taped around the sides. So even if, hypothetically, OP and her niece were wearing masks, and DH was wearing a mask, DH touched all of the office equipment in both the office OP was using and the printer room, AND DH had the nerve to approach OP’s niece. When I started reading, I thought “Well, this sounds unfortunate but…” until I got to “It couldn’t possibly be made-up, no one has that sort of wild imagination.” LW, I’m truly sorry about what happened to you. Q. I also think it reflects poorly on him as a person when he truly is otherwise a very tolerant individual. Re: Can’t walk you: Another option would be to slowly wean her off of needing you to escort her while still acknowledging her fears. I have no idea if OP has a legal case, but it would be worth a discussion with a lawyer to find out. caused by recent life events and I think therapy might be order. I’m not one to encourage frivolous lawsuits…but I’d be furious and want some way to recoup my losses as it was intentionally done. If I talked to anyone else, it was over phone/email/text/video. What about compensation for the lost income? It’s such a careless and cavalier attitude to have, it makes me really wonder about this employer that they didn’t fire this woman as soon as they found out what she was doing. Everyone. Blinded by her sense of entitlement, I expect. My girlfriend was stalked in college so I understand where this is coming from. I think the symptoms details is not as important as the fact that she was coming in at all. or if the contact tracing system can’t/doesn’t notify anyone in charge of enforcing pandemic protocols (Hi again! Were it me, I’d be speaking to an attorney, even though legislation is being rushed in some states to mitigate corporate liability. At any of the organizations I’ve worked for, regardless of size, tampering with a lock would’ve been grounds for immediate dismissal. At 6 months people were still struggling with muscle pain and weakness, sleep difficulties, anxiety, and depression in significant numbers. I doubt that OP’s niece had a perfectly fitted mask, or diligently scrubbed her hands every time she touched something before touching her face. She left and I continued working. Lawyer up. In some states, it’s a complete defense (meaning if you’re negligent at all, you have no case, even if the tortfeasor was more negligent than you!). Homeless people might try to get in for shelter, but may make the same assumptions about security. My manager says I need to cut her some slack, and both HR and her manager say the matter is finished even though she got us sick and both she and the company had to pay fines to because she broke the rules. Now if legal action comes out of it they will probably throw this manager into the wind. Covid. Can you send that to me for my records?” I don’t know what this person’s symptoms were, but is there a chance that there is hindsight in her case? I teared up reading this because I know how you feel. Yup. After I went in, I got sick. If it’s any amount, you should ask your employer to cover it since they allowed the security breach that led to you getting sick. The description of the lockdown rules leads me to believe this is not the US. In other situations, I agree that the division head’s disciplinary action wouldn’t necessarily be communicated back to the OP. Cricket was a robust little thing. So the only way to know the door isn’t locked is to open it without a key. LW said the company was fined, so maybe that’s what led to it. In fact, the reverse. The penalties already incurred (the fines) are really the only likely legal remedy. He kept coming to work knowing he was exposed and did not get tested until he lost his ability to taste. They better have paid OP her salary for the time that she was in the office, as well as her hospital bills, costs for her friend, etc. – WC Paralegal (FWIW). many countries have already decided there is no legal liability for covid transmission. If you want to talk about that, I’m around, but in the meantime I don’t want to keep having the same conversation over again.” You can’t talk your sister out of loving her boyfriend, and you can’t force her to act “normally,” but you can offer her support and (gentle, limited) guidance and hope for the best. Lending a hand: I have a friend, “Betty,” with whom I used to be close. (Honestly can’t imagine someone not leaving their house for 10 months, I would have gone insane, thank God for a job that has kept me going into work). Maybe they felt the locks were enough. Continuing to suggest something is not a big deal after someone’s hospitalised me for a week is something I could not let pass unremarked upon: “It was very frightening, actually” or “I was in fear for mine and my niece’s life, and extremely worried for a friend who had to help me out of an impossible situation” or “my friend is incredibly upset with the situation actually.” or “It is a big deal and it’s a matter of sheer luck that it didn’t turn out to be a bigger deal” or “Well, I had not gone out in months for the very fact that it is a big deal” or “Being hospitalised for a week is usually a pretty big deal”. My boyfriend says that I’m just being hypersensitive and that he should be able to say what he wants to say when he’s blowing off steam with his friends, especially since he’s not otherwise a hateful person. Greetings from Vienna, Austria. Maybe OP has an option like that. Small claims does not require a lawyer. The last time I brought up her being unsupportive, she didn’t apologize and blamed me for how she acted. I’d use the door propping and open disregard for local ordinance (that actually resulted in a fine!) Especially if the reasons she’s cared for by her aunt are that there were other disruptions to her family life and home. Right? Since LW did not leave her home for 10 months or what not (which I would normally say was overkill, but I digress), she can also likely prove causation. If I didn’t have my niece, I would’ve already quit. The coworker might be the most probable source but by far not the only possible one. – Admitting she had not been feeling well but still didn’t stop coming in (!!!!!!!!!). I wonder what can actually be done about people coming into the office sick, and if anyone cares. Which reminds me–did the company even both to disinfect the place, since there was carrier in there for months. She could document the cost of the trips to the vet, get a letter from the vet saying the dog’s problems were consistent with poisoning, and a letter from the friend about what they told her (or document the date and content of the conversation). But if I’d been contagious, I would’ve been leaving a trail of virus behind me. If she stuffed a cork or something into where the latch would go, the door would close all the way but be easily opened because it’s not latching shut. I love this woman to death, but this is nuts. Because “fireable” doesn’t mean “will be fired.” It means “this is something reasonable companies would consider firing someone over.” The OP has no power to fire the division head, and the advice is for her. Honestly in those conditions you don’t go out at ALL, but to go out while unwell AND get all handsy with someone’s kid is kind of gobsmacking. I’m sure there’s a lawyer out there who could put together a legal theory to test, but that’s different than winning the case (and I don’t think any Covid-related liability cases with similarities to this have been won at this point, although I’d be happy to be corrected if I’m wrong). You might also consider yelling at your tipsy friend who clued you in only after the fact. Basically for the same reason you should wash your hands after working outdoors. People who were healthy, not old and chatting to me over the phone one week and then dead a couple of weeks later. I have nearly missed multiple meetings because of this. My friend knew it was a risk, but she lives alone and works remotely and I didn’t even go near my friend when she picked up my niece. The company should ideally fire the manager, yes. Heck, she could have not even interacted with her directly and with poor ventilation in a small office, it could have been a problem. I’m only commenting on the fact that they say she is aware she wasn’t feeling well. I don’t want you to have to worry about this man’s approval for another minute. You could of course discuss with a lawyer first though and see what they can do. And with at least 1 unsecured entrance so who knows who else might’ve been there? Same. Honestly, if she isn’t really “holy shit I put you in a hospital for a week and could have killed you” level-apologetic, I’d consider a suit. Also since the company seems intent on sweeping the division head’s malfeasance under the carpet, they may try to find some other pretext to fire the OP, who they clearly do not value. HR: Stop badmouthing her! When you walk out the door for your new job, be sure to thank your supervisor for letting you know everything worked out fine. I think you should ask for help finding a divorce lawyer, a new place to stay, packing up your stuff—whatever you need to get away from your husband, as soon as you can. You can’t demand that, really; they will handle it internally and as a rule it’s the company, not the victim, who gets to choose. Nope – with many healthcare options in the US, you have to meet a deductible (which is frequently a four-digit number) before the insurance starts covering the majority of costs…and even then the coverage is not 100%, depending on the services provided. But in this situation, I don’t think it’s relevant because she didn’t need to be there and actually broke the law and company policy by coming in. Talk to a good lawyer. The outcome was the same as if the manager came in just the one day and happened to run into the OP, which would not be a legal violation. I usually try not to let my mind jump there, but it did…, The multiple layers of efforts to break the rules make it clear that she knew that she was doing wrong, and I agree that dishonest and harmful-to-others behavior is worthy of termination. Know this is a horrible person that does not care about others … and she is part of the reason the pandemic is as bad as it is. We had a purse snatcher rifling all the open offices in our building since the occupancy is way down, and some folks living in the parking garage. That is how this can NOT be a lawsuit! I honestly don’t think I could maintain any professionalism at all if I heard someone had been coming in ill, suggesting it’s not a big deal, not quarantining or taking precautions at this point. I know her higher ups were unaware of her actions but she’s still a company representative so the company is liable for her actions. So even though my symptoms were mild, you still suck for coming in sick.”. One that I could see sticking is employers that negligently/fraudulently declared workers essential just because they couldn’t be bothered to set up work from home or make other arrangements. A witness saying they saw the defendant running away from the murder scene with a gun is circumstantial. Secondly, geeze… I could understand if the coworker went in when well, and ONCE under an order from her boss (and with proper… authorization if need be) to grab something. Shirley shared some of the ‘cookies’ with her grown sons telling them afterward, that her friend had made the treats for the dog. In other words, if you convinced the jury (or judge for a bench trial) that it’s more likely than not that the defendant is guilty, they are obligated to give a guilty verdict. This could impact a worker’s comp claim. She admitted to jamming the door so it could be opened without her card because the readers were locked. Or has permanent damage? That said, it’s certainly possible a lawyer could negotiate some kind of settlement from the company, totally aside from the OP’s actual odds of winning a case, since companies usually want stuff like this to go away. In the same vein as MY DOG TULIP, Nunez alternates philosophizing between her literary musings and the unexpected care she must bestow upon a massive great dane. And I doubt that there would be insurance coverage. You said yourselves it’s not a big deal! Yes, I’d like to hear from the resident attorneys about this. Again, not the worst thing she did, but quite possibly the stupidest (though there is certainly a lot of competition on that front). I can’t imagine someone even thinking to do that once, let alone for 8 months. Q. The employer is sort of responsible as well, but short of actively monitoring where she was working by having physical security guards on site, should they be fully liable for the actions of someone who broke into their office? Once your insurance has been approved and your co-pay established, you’ll have a very clear, consistent picture of what each session costs—it won’t be like getting a surprise bill for an ambulance ride or a stay in the emergency room, since your co-pay can be arranged before your first session. That has been my actual experience at work. Reach out to your workers comp board. But it’s perfectly reasonable to need your breakup to include your former prospective in-laws, even if they’ve all behaved perfectly well. A: I’m not sure if your sister cried all day once because she missed her boyfriend (while in the middle of dealing with a serious illness), or if she simply told you about it once, and was in the habit of crying all day, every day, once he left. * Worldwide shipping * Product information: Designed for daily use, perfect for coffee, tea, hot cocoa, They figured that since they had a private office and a mild case it wouldn’t be a big deal to continue going it. I agree, tell everyone you encounter. Can the OP report her to public health (I know Canada has a system in place and the provincial levels)? She did this because she believed her convenience was more important than other people’s lives. I’m not sure why this is relevant to the letter, except to victim-blame. Kids are adaptable, and because you always do it, she takes it for granted. I have a coworker who also went to visit his family on the east coast right when it was all starting in March, attended one of the early “super spreader event” and brought the virus into our San Diego office, exposed several of us. Hopefully, you will be out of that job before you need to go into the office again. Unfortunately what you know and what can be proven are often not the same. But I’m not sure where/how it could apply to the niece or your friend. You should get that. The coworker basically broke into work for months and went to work sick (when she shouldn’t have been at work), and it doesn’t sound like she made any attempt to protect the OP from her germs. *I* believe the OP, but that doesn’t mean OP can prove that absolutely no one else could have infected them. The only person who came close to me was my division head. Just, wtf, who does that? I work from home, but her hours are obscene and her schedule has gotten worse—she often has to be into work by 4 a.m. She hates taking the elevator down to the parking garage alone. Circumstantial evidence is 1+1+1=3. (based on studies from this summer and after). So, I wouldn’t nominate her for “Worst Manager.”. We actually enjoyed a few this coffee . It blows my mind that the employer doesn’t seem to be making any effort whatsoever to make OP whole. How does this episode that ended up with 3 people infected with a deadly virus qualifies as “everything turned out fine” in anyone’s mind? If the company provides health insurance that would hopefully cover most of the medical bills. Client information. I mean, yes, if you are, like, plotting her violent demise, you should indeed back off of that, but otherwise you’re entitled to be really angry. Better yet if this demand is made on a lawyer’s letterhead. I suspect that the reason that the cost of medical treatment did not come up is because it was non-existent or minimal. Fire her now. A few days ago, she texted me a similar request followed by a message that she was “hurt that I had to be asked to share things and that all of her other friends had been sharing things more often than me.” I wanted to text her back that it’s more than anything she’s done to help me in the past few years. Put it on top of what she’s already done, and I hope she’s on her last chance. That mask fit so badly I could feel my breath whooshing in and out past my ears. OP would be wise to contact a workers comp attorney. – The manager’s violation of local health orders Does that mean inside the building or outside the building? I just wanted to add that whilst we are all assuming (in line with Alison’s excellent rules) that the OP had truly been isolating 100% apart from this incident, a court won’t be that kind.
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