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I updated the firmware on my a7III. For another example of using the Sony a7III for recording real-time video of the night sky see this video of the aurora shot from Norway in March 2019. This might be an aid, or an annoyance. Older cropped-frame cameras (Canon 7D MKII) might have worse noise because they are older and use older firmware. Dark Frames  And for long exposures, my 5DMkII does not offer multiple exposure feature, however, how can i take advantage of 5-frame buffer? I would invite you to further read my comments and images added in the Addendum. LENR does the dark frame taking and subtraction for you. I put the new Sony a7III mirrorless camera through its paces for the features and functions we need to shoot the night sky. While you can look through and frame using the EVF as you would with a DSLR, you are looking at an electronic image from the sensor, not an optical image from the lens. — Alan, May 31, 2018 / Revised June 6, 2018 & March 27, 2019 / © 2018 Alan Dyer / AmazingSky.com. Even if you could get a mirrorless camera to focus without a lens adapter to add the extra spacing, the image quality across the field might be compromised on many telescopes. Sony A7rIII : 20 secret features; A7RIII vs A7RII – ISO testing; 2017-06 Firmware for A7 et A6300,6500; Hähnel NP-FZ100 batteries & chargers; ARQ files with Lr Classic CC 7.3; Accessories. Its red sensitivity is not bad, but its lack of a light frame buffer results a less productive imaging cycle when using LENR on deep-sky shooting. It intrudes into the light path ever so slightly. Great article, I have to note one thing though. I’ve been looking for a comprehensive review and comparison of this camera for a while now. To the eye, the Sony and Nikon look very similar for noise levels, just as in the moonlit scene. Even with uncompressed Raws, the Sony was not quite as ISO invariant as the Nikon, though the difference shows up only under extreme push-processing of badly underexposed frames. Live View Focusing and Framing A camera upgrade to a full frame is my next big purchase after I get some more experience with the T5i. In well-exposed images, I saw little difference in image quality. Up to 1.5-stop improvement in image quality. They can cost anywhere from $100 to $400. Even a supposedly ISO invariant Camera like the Sony can show noise and discoloration in underexposed images boosted later in exposure. I shot nothing but Raws. then, even in your case with ~3pixels wide stars, the comparison between 3.2s and 4s clearly shows a reduction of the stars “peak” brigthness, and notably less weak stars. Dark frame subtraction using Long Exposure Noise Reduction removed most – but not all – hot pixels from thermal noise. Adaptability to Many Lenses  Neither compression nor LENR invoked “star eating.”. UHS Speed Class 3 or higher card is required for 100 Mbps recording. Thank you for a detailed review of the Sony 7III. Features  As such, I would have expected a more uniformly illuminated sensor. More rapid-fire burst modes and quieter shutters are a plus for action and wedding photographers, though they are of limited value for astrophotography. Wow! I keep my A7RM2 vs upgrading to the A7RM3 for that reason BUT BUT LOVE REALLY LOVE the A7M3 for the sensor (ISO Invariant) and the 10 frames per second and many other likes!!! Not verbal arguments about how you think the sensor should behave. If I get more results I’ll update the test. Uncompressed Raws are 47 Mb in size; Compressed Raws are 24 Mb. Does adapting the Roki SP on the Sony body somehow compromises the image quality (in terms or sharpness, distortion, coma…)? — Alan, Hi Jeff, just a slightly diff angle of approach to AlanD re: your noise question. It was a little worse than the stock Canon 6D MkII. Stars are visible to the same limiting magnitude and close double stars are just as well resolved across all exposures. This is because the 4 stops underexposed image was at iso 400, just under the camera’s dual gain system in the sensor. I would like to receive information about it! Video Capability  Well, almost. 7 months ago I purchased a new Sony A7III, and a few weeks ago the Menu button stopped working. See https://alpinelaboratories.com/pages/radian-2-support-get-started_s. But there are indeed differences between the various brands and Raw files from various models, because we know every camera has a different Raw format. This would be much tougher to eliminate in deep-sky images where the extreme contrast boosts we typically apply to images of nebulas and galaxies will accentuate any odd glows. It just needs to be better, Sony! I can’t speak for other Sonys but in the a7III it is not so much an issue of “star eating” but “star rendering.” But Nikons have similar issues of oddly colored stars. I've tried BIF but they NOTE: Click or Tap on most images to bring them up full-frame for inspection. Unless you actually read the full-length 642-page PDF manual (you have to download it), you won’t know about it. For example, the TimeLapse+ View (see http://www.timelapseplus.com) works great for automated holy grails, but the developer recommends that with most Sonys the minimum allowed interval between shots is longer (8 to 14 seconds) than with Canons and Nikons. This is an issue of how software de-Bayers stars that occupy only one or a few pixels. The Canon 6D MkII has a fully functional touch screen which can be, quite literally, handy at night. The lower weight can be helpful for use on lightweight telescopes, on small motion control devices, and for simply keeping weight and bulk down when traveling. A Sony a7S II (8.5 microns) has lower noise than an a7III (6 microns) which has lower noise than an a7RIII (4.5 microns). NIKON: I deducted points for real-time video of auroras – the D750 can do them but is pretty noisy with the high ISOs needed. I did notice the difference in detail between the Nikon and the Sony on the cropped in, ISO invariance test shots. The Sony shows a lot of green stars with or without LENR. This is most noticeable – indeed usually only noticeable – when shooting deep-sky targets though telescopes. Your cameras are getting worse for astrophotography while Sony’s are getting better. Using the right lens adapter (I use one from Metabones), it is possible to use lenses with mounts made for Canon, Nikon, Sigma and others. Stars are not smoothed out in long exposures. A shorter SS for the wider the Aperture (more lens being used) but learning that even a 10mm lens is 17.86 seconds for Accurate and 35.60 for standard so bulb mode not really needed. Thank you, Alan! Thank you Sony! And isn’t that what you care about? Cheers! Anyway, the a7III does look compelling. It’s not strictly hardware nor just software. With the 5D MKII you could take 5 lights. Thanks! Ie. In Live View it is possible to make the image so bright you can actually see the Milky Way live on screen! The correct exposure for the scene was 30 seconds at ISO 6400 and f/2. Yes, I know. You would get more stars only by going to smaller pixels perhaps, but then there’d be more noise as well partly hiding the smallest stars. But if the Sony had a built-in intervalometer…! The colored stars you are seeing is from odd deBayering going on which is also present to some extent in the Nikon. If not room on the camera if only an offer to place on one of the memory cards, please! Hi and thanks! Also great for sunrise/sets without a tripod ISO 50 and A f/4 still detail and super bright. Standard functions such as ISO and Drive Mode are easy to get at on the thumb wheel, unlike the Nikon D750 where I am forever hunting for the ISO or Focus Zoom buttons, or the Canon 6D MkII which successfully hides the Focus Zoom and Playback buttons at night. Yes, that’s right Steve. The S/N ratio is determined by the individual pixels — they don’t know how big a sensor they belong to and won’t behave differently in a cropped sensor vs a large sensor. I have the A7S, A7RM2 and A7M3 and have been playing with the A7S since 2014, 2016 A7RM2 and 2018 A7M3 with Astro MW and other things. Contrary to expectations, the Sony did not show any great loss in image quality as it crossed the ISO 640 boundary into its lower ISO range. I just want to address, in amateur fashion, the very basic aspect: incoming photons collected by a pixel. But this is a tough call. The Sony showed some slight edge-of-frame shadowing from the mask in front of the sensor, as well as a weak purple amp glow. Stars were smoothed away along with the noise in exposures longer than 3.2 seconds in some Sony cameras (longer than 30 seconds in others). Effectiveness of Long Exposure Noise Reduction (LENR), Quality of Raw files, such as sharpness of stars, Brightness of Live View for framing and focusing. In testing the Sony a7III I ignored all the auto functions. With the latest firmware, A7 III, A7R III and A9 all get Interval Meter built into the camera. When comparing 1600 to 1600 from my a7ii to a7iii there isn’t much in it, 3200 vs 3200 it’s maybe half a stop – 6400 maybe 2/3 of a stop. And what you want to use the camera for. For the intervalometer, I don’t see a setting for exposure duration, just interval, start time, and number of exposures. (what software subtracts such dark frames? And, as I found, the Sony might need to be placed into Continuous shooting mode to have the shutter fire with every trigger pulse from the motion controller. At 30 fps, 4K videos are cropped with a 1.2x crop factor. ( Log Out /  The Sony a7III’s screen is, but only to select an area for auto focus or zooming up an image in playback. Thank you very much again! Is it? Nikons don’t have this, not even the D810a, and not Sonys. But figure in the cost of the adapter as well. The Canon 5D MkIV is $1000 more than the Sony here in Canada and is 30 Mp not 24 like the others, so not comparable in price or spec. Fair enough. The compact a7III body weighs a measured 750 grams, vs. 900 grams each for the Nikon D750 and Canon 6D MkII. See http://docs.view.tl/#camera-specific-notes, With the Alpine Laboratories Radian2, exposure ramping is not possible with a Sony, only basic shutter triggering. Sony A7III - Under Warranty - Corrosion and Warranty Issues, Re: Sony A7III - Under Warranty - Corrosion and Warranty Issues, corrosion can be caused by dew point/humidity, That's why I "waste" money on "drops & spills" & scheduled insurance, Sony a1 added to studio test scene for stills and video, Panasonic S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 Macro OIS sample gallery (DPReview TV), Panasonic S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 Macro OIS sample gallery. It’s unfair to blame just the hardware or the software. When using its internal intervalometer, the Nikon D750 has an excellent Exposure Smoothing option. I use a Canon T5i right now as I’m new to the craft. It is much appreciated even in 2019 December. “1 stop better in low light” isn’t always a flat comparison of 200 being as clean as 100, 3200 being as clean as 1600 etc. Only Slot 1 will work with the fastest UHS II cards that are needed for recording the highest quality 4K video. First of all congratulate you, a very good publication. This feature is little known and utilized, and only Canon full-frame cameras offer it. But the Sony, being four years newer than the Nikon, is not better. Forget the verbal arguments from authority — I invite you to do the experiment. And not for filter modification. It is about bigger pixels producing less noise in a photo as a whole which is probably a myth. Most tests focus on its superb auto exposure and auto focus capabilities that rival much more costly cameras, including Sony’s own a7rIII and a9. Because by definition, noise is the randomness in the collected signal… (Of course, bad electronics, high dark current, etc, could cause the final conversion and readout of the photons to electrons exhibit a lot of noise. Or am I missing something obvious? Images attached were provided by Precision Camera when prompted for evidence of corrosion. Long exposures showed just as many stars as did short exposures. Bulb Timer or Long Exposures For astrophotography, none of those auto functions are of any value. Due to limitations set by Sony, controlling one of their cameras with an external controller can be problematic. Certainly a company as highly regarded and reputable as Sony should take excellent care of its customers and make right what is wrong. This emphasizes just how good the Nikon D750 is. Perhaps I’ll add examples to show that, but I would invite you to take your own Raw files of tracked star images shot with a Sony, Nikon, and Canon camera and develop them with Adobe Camera Raw, Capture One, DxO, Affinity, Luminar, ON1 Photo RAW, and Raw Therapee’s various modes. Sony HVL-F20M Flash; Sony HVL-F32M Flash; Sony HVL-F43M Flash; Sony HVL-F45RM Flash; Sony HVL-F60RM Flash; Cameras / Boitiers. I provide that evidence. That’s worth a check, too. But in my suggested test we are keeping the camera and sensor the same. It's at home shooting everything from sports to portraits, and is one of the most impressive all-around cameras we've seen in a long while. Eliminate all the variables — except one — you’re just varying the collecting area. ( Log Out /  As with Sony’s other popular Alpha 7 and 9 series cameras, the new Alpha 7III is a full-frame mirrorless camera, a class of camera Canon and Nikon have yet to offer, though models are rumoured or promised. The disadvantage is that full-time live view draws more power, with mirrorless cameras notorious for being battery hungry. I don’t know if Nikon is still using Sony sensors but both brands seem to be making very good cameras. No difference. It was not supplied to me by Sony in return for an “influential” blog post. Custom Buttons  We shoot everything on manual. But it can take the Canon lenses you might already own. It is good, though not great, for long-exposure deep-sky imaging. I did test and describe control options for the Sony in the test report I wrote for a recent issue of Sky and Telescope. Cannon doesn’t seem to be even trying to catch up. The small tree at the top of the image looked very different with the two cameras. I then received a quote for repair from Precision Camera for $645 due to 'corrosion' which Sony warranty would not cover. It is possible some of the artifacts I saw are due to ACR not handling the a7III’s .ARW files as well as it should. Almost any camera will behave well in this comparison. The cameras were on a Star Adventurer Mini tracker to keep stars pinpoints, though the ground blurred in the longer exposures. This is much more apparent when comparing files of those ISO levels from dpreviews studio tests between the bodies. Nevertheless, for the demands of nightscape and deep-sky shooting and processing, I suggest shooting Uncompressed Raws. With the 6D it was 4 if it was on Raw+JPG. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4167521#forum-post-59686724 Which will have the lower noise? This is with the EVF and rear LCD Display OFF, and the camera in Airplane mode to turn off wireless functions to further conserve battery power. And in identically exposed images. While i know how to turn on LENR, does this apply only to jpegs, or to RAW shooting as well? Plus there are an increasing number of lenses from third parties offered with native Sony E-mounts. Sony HVL-F43M Flash; Sony HVL-F45RM Flash; Sony HVL-F60RM Flash; Cameras / Boitiers. Doing two shots one below for the brightness (lower ISO/higher f//slower SS or any combination) and another for the sky above (last shot) (just opposite of first) getting a combo adjustable before saving and getting a raw to work in post. I show only the Sony and Nikon compared here, shot at the common range of ISOs used for nightscape shooting, 800 to 12800. In Movie Mode ISO speeds go up to ISO 102,400, but are pretty noisy, if unusable at such speeds. Instead, I concentrated on those points I felt of most concern to astrophotographers, such as: Noise Canon really needs to improve their sensors to keep in the game. Turning this ON superimposes a shimmering effect on parts of an image judged in focus. One battery can get you through a night of shooting, though performance will inevitably decline in winter, as with all cameras. I think any really ‘serious’ astrophotography users would be looking at a dedicated astro camera (CCD or CMOS), but know you can get some amazing results with a ‘normal’ quality camera such as those compared in this review. Exceptions are images taken for star trail stacking and for time-lapses, images that must be taken in quick succession, with minimal time gap between frames. I rate the Sony excellent for nightscape imaging and for real-time aurora videos. If you wish to argue the point, do so with evidence. And the new a7sIII rumoured to come out soon would also be interesting to test. I already own the Sony a7III and this is the perfect companion to it. I may upgrade to A7SM2 and compare to A7M3. The Sony a7III offers a choice of shooting Uncompressed or Compressed Raw files. It may be more serious on other Sony alphas. I know … people shoot dark frames separately for subtracting later in processing. If an anti-alias filter were responsible you’d see it on all images, not just long ones. Both the Sony and Nikon use sensor and signal path designs that are “ISO invariant.” As a result, images shot underexposed at slower ISOs, then boosted in exposure later in processing look identical to properly exposed high-ISO images. To get the most out of the Sony for deep-sky imaging you would have to have it modified by a third-party, though the amp glow described above makes it a poor choice for modification. But that’s not removing stars. As with Sony’s other popular Alpha 7 and 9 series cameras, the new Alpha 7III is a full-frame mirrorless camera, a class of camera Canon and Nikon have yet to offer, though models are rumoured or promised. Instead, I saw a slight shadowing at the top and bottom edges but just at the corners. In this test, the Nikon did not perform as well as the Sony for ISO invariancy. I had originally remarked that this useful function was missing. Astronomy author and photographer Alan Dyer presents amazing sky sights. And of course BackyardEOS or Nikon won’t work with Sony’s. These are from DPReview’s noise comparison test images. Seeing people head into the field with a passel of batteries just to get thru a night of shooting put me off! Noise at typical astrophoto ISO speeds – 800 to 6400 – were about equal to the four-year-old Nikon D750. The Nikon seems to discolor stars only when LENR is applied. Confident that the issue was a manufacture defect, I contacted Sony who had me ship the body to Precision Camera for repair. The Sony still showed some discoloration artifacts and added noise when boosting images by +4 EV that the Nikon did not. And neither are 4K. Find out all the details in our field review. It showed all the same stars to the same limiting magnitude. That’s why we do science! Only the latest Canons offer in-camera stacking to average noise, which is not the same as dark-frame subtraction. I can’t see anyone being unhappy about the sharpness of the starfield and galaxy itself in the 4 minute galaxy shot compared to the Canon version, and Canon surely sets the standard. This is where the Sony’s Backside Illuminated sensor with presumably higher quantum efficiency in gathering photons might be providing the advantage. When opening the same Raws in other programs (ON1 Photo RAW, Affinity Photo, DxO PhotoLab, and Raw Therapee) the results can be quite different, with stars often rendered with fringes of hot, colored pixels. Pixels, or photosites, do not “know” how large a sensor they belong to. Sony's FE 35mm F1.4 GM is an impressively sharp and long-awaited pro-level 35mm optic for full-frame Sony E-mount cameras. Lighter Weight / Smaller Size Change ). Thanks for the suggestion. The advantage of purely electronic viewing is that the image you are previewing matches the image you’ll capture, at least for short exposures. With highly effective performance in mid-to-high sensitivity ranges, you can shoot at high ISO with no concerns about noise and … I have used Sony cameras for astrophotography for years and have never noticed a star eater problem. This camera has been lightly used and never exposed to anything beyond normal use. Instead, you have to go to the Camera Settings 2 page, then select Still Image–Custom Key. The cause is not clear. Mirrorless vs.DSLR COMPACT CAMERA and LENS The Sony a7III with the compact but fast Laowa Venus Optics 15mm f/2 lens. Intervalometer — NOW INCLUDED! We will see if that theory proves correct. In conclusion, here’s my summary recommendations for the three competitive cameras, rating them from Poor, to Fair, to Good, to Excellent. I feel that in the a7III the Star Eater has been largely vanquished. Sony advises that when using LENR Raw images are recorded with only 12-bit depth, not 14-bit. Nevertheless, noise performance of the Sony a7III was still excellent, with both the Sony and Nikon handily outperforming the Canon 6D MkII, with its slightly smaller pixels, by about a stop in noise levels. All three are “entry-level” full-frame cameras, with 24 to 26 megapixels and in a similar price league of $1,500 (Nikon) to 2,000 (Sony). So even if you should only do a 12 second shot for no star trails with a 12mm f/4 for a big print you can increase the ISO or just leave at 800 and brighten in post. I saw none of the extreme effects reported by others with other Sonys, where masses of faint stars disappeared or turned into multi-colored blotches. Unfortunately, I think that you’re conclusions re star-eater are based more on hope than reality. Sensors with 4 micron pixels will have more noise than sensors with 6 micron pixels, no matter what size the sensor is. It does not have IBIS, but that's a small trade-off for the awesome price. In particular, many stars look green, from the dominance of green-filtered photosites on Bayer-array sensors. when i saw someone reporting an article that star eater was gone, i immediatly read your article. However, like other brands’ internal intervalometers Sony’s is good only for exposures up to 30 seconds long. I trust you’ll find the review of value. I love it! Image quality was just fine. If you measure the noise of individual pixels, larger pixels will have less noise simply because they are larger and can gather more light in any given amount of time. Great review, and impressive for its detail. You’ll see how different the stars are rendered with all those programs. Even if super dark capture knowing post will be great. The a7III offers 4K video and, at 24 frames-per-second, is full-frame. Iet’s say you are comparing similar size photos between sensors that have larger vs smaller pixels. https://blog.kasson.com/a7riii/sony-a7riii-star-spreading-raw-composites/. Here are some other Sony a7III features I found of value for astrophotography, and for operating the camera at night. Assign it to one of the hardware Custom C buttons. I have updated the Review with some new tests to address questions raised by some of the commenters. But to develop all the images from Sony, Nikon, and Canon equally for comparisons, ACR is the best choice. I was using the wired Vello intervalometer. When used with the Genie Mini (below) the Sony fired at only every other pulse if it was in Single shot mode, an oddity of Sony’s firmware. This comparison will not show the real situation with the noise level. Which Lenses to maximise the potential of the Sony A7RIV? • It lacks the “light-frame” buffer offered by full-frame Canons that allows shooting several frames in quick succession even with LENR turned on. Thanks for doing it. ISO Invariance  Light Frame Buffer in LENR Plus the generation of the firmware. However, if the collection area is large, the incident “stream”/pixel is larger = less affected by variations. If you want an objective test, rather than comparing the Sony with Canon or Nikon images, you need to compare 3.2 with 4 second images, both shot on the Sony. Hi Alan, thanks for this detailed review. In the menu options that appear you can now scroll to one called Bright Monitoring. I.E. However, I’ve found these post-shoot darks rarely work well, as the dark frames are not at the same temperature as the light frames, and often add noise or dark holes. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. But it is extreme pixel peeping. Turning on LENR did eliminate most hot pixels in long exposures, but not all. Some time-lapse controllers are able to connect to a camera through its USB port and then adjust the ISO and aperture as well, for ramped “holy grail” sunset-to-Milky Way sequences. ; 3 A Class 10 or higher SDHC/SDXC card is required for XAVC S format movie recording. Raw Therapee offers a choice of de-Bayering, or “de-mosaic,” routines, and each produces different looking stars, and none look great! (See my test at https://amazingsky.net/2017/08/09/testing-the-canon-6d-mark-ii-for-nightscapes/). The one thing that I would like is the on camera apps that can be put on the M2 and below. Like the Nikon D750, the Sony’s screen tilts vertically up and down, great for use when on a telescope, or on any tripod when aimed up at the sky. Has anybody tested it yet? The red and blue colors of those stars are wiped by the filter – just as it has been since firmware update 4.0 on the A7RII. Is it iso invariant enough that it doesn’t matter, or are certain iso’s slightly better in your opinion for night sky images than the tier 2 base iso of 640? Dual Card Slots  It offers 4K (or more precisely UltraHD) video recording for videos of 3840 x 2160 pixels. It’s just a pity the 6D MkII has only a 3-frame buffer when using LENR. For those who think this is normal for LENR use, the Nikon D750 shows nothing like this – frames taken with LENR on are free of all hot pixels and do not show more shot or read noise, nor deterioration of shadow detail from lower bit depths. All images are equally well exposed. We were not asked to write anything about these cameras, nor were we provided with any sort of compensation. ( Log Out /  I believe it is more likely its all about total area of the sensor and not the size of the pixels. Thus my Good rating for nightscapes but Fair rating for time-lapses. Live View was absolutely superb, though the outstanding Bright Monitoring function is as well-hidden as Sony could possibly make it. To my eye, the difference is nothing like the huge wiping out of stars reported and shown at Lonely Speck. Thanks for the suggestions! All explained in my ebook! And in tracked exposures over a minute where you’d really see the difference there is virtually no difference in sharpness, star count and limiting magnitude between the Sony and cameras not accused of eating stars. So beware! Again, the differences are in images vastly underexposed. However, I did not consider “star eating” to be a negative factor, as the Sony showed just as many stars and as well-resolved as did the competitors, and what more could you ask for? Or is this just a theory of how it should behave? In new models, Sony now offers the option of a final “My Menu” page which you can populate with often-used functions from the other 35 pages of menu commands! I did put all the high ISO images through the classic noise reduction program Noise Ninja to measure total Luminance and Chrominance noise, and included the Canon 6D MkII’s images. OK, let’s try that. Please have a look at them again. Sony not performing as good as competitors? Thank you very much for the in-depth review. With the Canon full-frames you simply fire the shutter again. in-camera dark frame subtraction) off and on. I wanted to comment on one thing, after reading the entire publication, I have the question of whether the sony a7iii has to be compared with the canon 6d mark ii or with the 5d mark iv (and the same with nikon, although I don’t know the name of the model higher).
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