Kevin, Thanks. The later is a function of your tire width and pressure and the compliance available in the integration of the wheelâs rims, spokes, and hubs. Just 25g, this tube reduces the rolling resistance in a Design: Wheel weight and material, rim depth, rim inner and outer widths, rim profile, hub and spoke design, and wheel finish. Why the need for the grommet? Above all, the Vanquish 4 is a supremely stiff wheelset. If thatâs where the story ended â skin-deep beauty and all of that â this would be a rather shallow review. Cost:  Purchase price, cost of ownership and replacement cost. When the flow is less interrupted or laminar, it “sticks” to the combined tire-rim airfoil, moving from one surface to the other more smoothly and creates less drag and more “lift” when you are riding at or above speeds of 18-20mph or 29-32kph. Do you have any information about the Fulcrum WIND 40 DB. First published on September 23, 2018. My hill rides are somewhat steep, avg 7 degree grade with 11 degree sections, and am out of saddle somewhat frequently. Thanks, Steve! The stiffness and rolling smoothness of this wheelset are good though not without a few characteristics I donât care for. Iâm Steve, a road cycling enthusiast like many of you. [By the way, the 1415 gram claimed weight is probably without rim tape. Anyway, the weight difference between the Hunt 33 and 44 is all rim, but youâre getting a deeper rim which moves all that extra 55gr of weight ~15mm inboard (using ERD), probably offsetting all of it. LightBicycle (and a few others) is similar, has more options, and a much more proven track record - strongly recommended instead of these. The Zipps are a really solid option and Iâm sure you would be happy with them - I dont know anything about the winspaceâ¦, Having been faced with a similar decision recently and living in the UK too () I did some investigating on how important weight is. They have very good customer reviews and look good on paper. compressor not needed and track pump ok. Of course, most people don’t inflate a wider tire to the same pressure as a narrower one; they ride a wider tire so they can inflate it to a lower pressure for more comfort. They also accelerate and climb better than most. first of all… thanks for all the information which can be found on you website! Even though they sell a ton of wheelsets under their own brand name and as stock wheels for leading bike makers including Giant and Specialized, DT Swiss has never been known for the performance of their own branded models of more expensive wheelsets. I don’t think the Roval will be any stiffer or responsive than the first gen Zipp NSW but the CLX 50 should be better on hills and more comfortable if you lower the pressure enough in a tubeless setup. Only exception is when. The 5.6 disc (review) is really the best option if aero is your thing and you are ok with 25mm. Quality: Durability, warranties, and service/support. While a lot of cars and wheels roll fast, it’s what happens in the moment of speed that makes life behind the wheel and in the saddle exciting. And it’s really too shallow to be an aero wheelset. Thanks for the quick reply and all of your great information – definitely one of my favourite resources for bike information on the web. For 28C tires, the one-shot canister Joe Blow type pump didnât offer sustained enough pressure to lock out the beads. Like the Roval CLX 50 Disc, there just werenât that many all-around wheelsets that really did road disc bikes justice a short while ago. Yes, these road disc wheels are heavier than their rim brake brothers, but the CLX 50 disc brake wheelset, at a measured weight of 1457 grams, is one of four wheelsets in this review coming in at under 1500 grams. Easton’s EC90 SL wheelsets have been through several iterations over the years. Schwalbe Pro One TLE (260g) & 30ml Sealant & Valve (11g) = approx 602g. Theyâve not had an easy life and to my mind, theyâve been faultless. Iâm upgrading from rim to disc now (Tarmac) and from 303 NSW rim (the 1st gen ones with 17.25mm inner width) to a yet to be determined disc brake wheelset. Frankly, you can’t go wrong with either. -eeeeee⦠if youâre in a group ride, it doesnât matter. Sure, the two wheels have different spoke counts and hubs but even the hubs have the same DT Swiss 240 internals. The Aero 46 DB next to Zipp’s 303 NSW disc brake wheel. Apparently all wheels other than the Rapide were tested with GP5K. I poured over both your reviews repeatedly!! Hi Steve! Winspace Hyper: S-Works Venge 2019: Crash on my Brand New Bike :(new frame time! The wheels I’m looking at are ENVE 3.4 Disc, ENVE 3.4 AR Disc OR ENVE 4.5 AR Disc. 1. - Front wheel : 2:1 spoke lacing on disc brake wheels, 21 spokes. It’s a fair bit of work to sort through all of those out there now because, along with the rapid growth of road disc bikes, thereâs been a quick evolution of carbon wheels for these bikes that do it all and do it all really well. WHEELS While your tire choices can improve comfort, your wheels are usually what limits it. Wow. Thanks again!! Crosswinds within reason didnât bother these HEDs even though they have more of a V-shaped spoke-side rim profile than most of the U-shaped ones of current carbon hoops. I wondered if I was about to test a wheelset designed by committee, the kind that melds the voices of past successes, exciting new ideas, and compromises needed to meet managementâs cost and schedule targets. Proper âaeroâ wheelset - for $700 ($523 gbp shipped) you can have proper âaeroâ wheelset thatâs a lot more durable and looks cool I love the look of the fulcrums but are also heaviest on list, iâm edging towards zipps or hyper 38 at moment but still not sure. If you wrap your rims twice with tape as I do, thereâs no chance of getting it in unless you have a very sharp, small knife and remove all the tape covering the hole after the first pass and then again after the second. For my system weight of 70kg, at 250 watts up a 5% grade, an extra 100g costs you just 0.000965% in time. Mid-June review target. Take A Sneak Peak At The Movies Coming Out This Week (8/12) Love is in the air: a soundtrack for Valentine’s … I think Cam Nicholls has talked about Winspace on his Youtube channel iirc. Laufräder für das Rennrad im Windkanal- und Praxistest My Cervelo R5 is rated for tires up to 30mm factoring in a minimum of 4mm clearance on all sides. Have you tried out the Prime Black Edition out of interest? Despite their 33mm low-profile depth, the Bora WTO 33 rides more like a smooth-rolling all-around wheelset that isnât affected by crosswinds than a highly responsive, fast accelerating wheelset to take on your next alpine climbing vacation. - Carbon fibre spokes with excellent strength to weight ratio weighing 2.6g per spoke. Click, Related: Not sure what kind of wheels to get? The ENVE 3.4 AR is similar as a light climber and gravel wheelset but they managed to get the rims a couple mm wider without affecting the weight to make it a better gravel set. It sounds like the 303 S isn’t for you and may not be for many riders. The Zipp Tangente Speed tires measure 25.8 mm wide and Schwalbe Pro One measures 27.5 mm, both at 80 psi, the max pressure youâd want to run tubeless tires on 19C rims even if you weigh 200lbs/80kg. All this to say I would go for a decent mid depth like 45mm or 50mm. Other criteria, like stiffness, are equally important whether you are talking rim or disc brake wheels or all-around, climbing or aero wheels regardless of your braking method. If you are dedicated to climbing and willing to deal with the hassles, risks, and potentially higher rolling resistance (compared to some clincher and tubeless tires) that come with a lighter, tubular wheelset, then tubulars are a way to cut weight. Zing zing zing zing. If youâve got the watts in your legs, you can probably get these wheels up to speed much in the way a Corvette corals hundreds of horses under its hood to get you from 0 to 60 mph faster than most. 3. i really love DT swiss wheelsets (at the moment ERC 1100 disc brake is at the top of the wheels-for-new-bike ranking) but i would like an opinion from an expert as you… I find them plenty comfortable enough for me at 150lbs/68kg and 70-75lbs with 25mm tires. Far be it for me to suggest that my subjective perception of these things is how you should see it. (I assume because spesh requested it? Not canât really ride them, Iâve only ever had in carbon, mavics which I found soft and then I had zipp 302 which I actually found extremely stiff and harsh, but I was running 25mm at 100psi on rough roads which I now know is a mistake. – Further, a wider tire offers less wind resistance, only if it comes up narrower than the rim per the rule of 105 we’ve talked about earlier. When you run tires at lower pressures, as you should with these rims, it’s debatable whether you need hooks to keep road tires in place. â Choosing Tire Size, BIKES From the photos, it looks like they used different tires – a Specialized on the Roval, a Conti (5000 TL?) Thatâs for each of us to decide individually. You can see from their Total System Efficiency mantra now that they are trading off a bunch of different design and performance considerations. I would also add that you can improve your climbing performance in other, potentially more significant ways including increasing your FTP and reducing your body mass. Both in and out of the saddle I find these Reynolds wheels plenty stiff. That said, much like the Chris King hubs, the i9s make a distinctive, loud freehub noise. Being disc brake, they are probably fine mechanically, but ability to deliver consistently might be something to watch. That said, the 5.6 disc is more aero than the 4.5AR based on Enve’s testing but by how much is debatable and potentially not relevant to the kind of riding you do. You can support the site and save yourself time and money when you buy through the links in the posts and at Know’s Shop to stores I rank among the best for their low prices and high customer satisfaction, some which pay a commission that helps cover our review and site costs. Bontrager doesn’t. More aggressive, younger, competitive, aero focused, fit riders doing hard group rides or races would lean to the 5.6 whereas those who are some, but perhaps not all of those things and ride rougher roads would probably enjoy the 4.5 AR more. â Electronic Groupsets And im about to build a 2020 sworks tarmac sl6 disc. ), http://www.cyclesetforme.fr/largeur-de-roue-ou-va-ton-en-roulement-et-aerodynamisme/. Not in my evaluation, but they seem to be getting closer. 3) Using the same TSE concepts to compare the 4.5AR and 5.6 disc which weigh essentially the same, you’d likely save more energy/watts with lower pressure tires on 4.5AR but get more aero benefits from the 5.6, assuming you picked tires and inflated them to levels that passed the 105 rule on both the 4.5AR and 5.6. About 80% of our road riding is done when the wind is coming from a 0 to 10-degree angle (or âyawâ) and 50% is done between 0 and 5 degrees based on field testing done by Flo Cycling. So 4w @ 21.5mph (single wheel, that includes wind, so this is a LOW speed) best to worst (inc the 65mm deep wheel) on wheels that were hampered by the rim brake width for the tire they had on there. They do look lovely though, but cost quite a bit more. In the context of Zipp’s new TSE mantra — where the 4.5 AR would also get all the purported benefits of wide tires, wide internal rims, and hookless design — would it be reasonable to conclude that in a large share of real world riding conditions (less than ideal tarmac), that the 4.5AR (28mm) might actually be faster than the 5.6? - Rear wheel : 2:1 spoke lacing on rear wheels. I’m not doubting this wheelset, I just don’t know whether it’s the future or a flash. I couldnât help but look down at them gleaming in the sun from time to time during my month of test rides. I created this site, write the reviews, and answer your comments. If I were paying full retail, Iâd maybe open my options to others not on the list. They are stiff, snappy, and responsive, great on a rolling course and one with a lot of climbing. They are considerably heavier than the 1400 grams claimed on the Bontrager XXX 4 Aeolus TLR Clincher web page â 1556 grams on my scale. A good example are those Winspace Hyper carbon wheels. 6) Aero is a question. Their filament-wound rim and carbon spokes ensure a class-leading strength to weight ratio starting from just 1267g in tubeless ready configurations. Graham, Sorry but I haven’t ridden any of them so I’m afraid I can’t add anything. â Upgrade Rim Brake Wheels, GRAVEL [here], Tom, Thanks for the tip. I actually bought some Foundation 45 too, but decided against them after my tyre options being so limited. When you get to 300FTP+ and 35kmh, you may want to upgrade. Steve. This will put a big dent into the wheelset’s aero performance that is at best on par with the average hoops in this review of mid-depth wheels. Telios on 20/01/2021 - 20:53 . Continental Grand Prix 5000 TL tires wouldn’t fit on these rims, a problem I’ve had putting those tires on other wheelsets as well. Paschalis, If you haven’t read it yet, I’d encourage you to read my review of the best lightweight wheels for climbing. Outside North America, it’s harder to find and more expensive than most (Tredz 10% discount with code ITKTDZ10). Iâm just speccing my new Factor o2, its going to be an everday day all year round disc bike so not a super lightweight. Maybe a new line is coming out… or the company will pursue another path? Independent testing is worth considering but the same variables can make some wheels look better or worse depending on the testing protocol. Itâs as high quality as any Iâve seen on a fine automobile. Steve. I seem to recall calculating that 500g would cost me about 42 seconds⦠up Mount Ventoux! After reading your articles I am between Campagnolo Bora WTO 33 and Zipp 303 Firecrest. (function($) {window.fnames = new Array(); window.ftypes = new Array();fnames[1]='NAME';ftypes[1]='text';fnames[0]='EMAIL';ftypes[0]='email';fnames[2]='MMERGE2';ftypes[2]='address';fnames[3]='MMERGE3';ftypes[3]='url';}(jQuery));var $mcj = jQuery.noConflict(true); Related: Looking for an alloy road disc wheelset? After taking a look at the article, it’s hard to tell what protocol they were using other than the stated -20 to +20 degrees of yaw (no weighting indicated) at 45 kph. I wrote about the developments across all road disc wheelset categories (upgrade, carbon all-around, aero, and climbing) in a review of the best upgrade wheels for road disc bikes. Wider tires also will give you marginally lower rolling resistance when inflated to the same pressure as a narrower tire. I average 29-33 km/h on the flats (bi-directional so averages headwind + tailwind). I mainly group ride in rolling terrain and on rough roads here in UK, so balance of weight and aero even though none of this bike is really aero so could go for something shallower. One of the first to sell wheels using toroid shaped, deep-section rims to gain aero advantage over 10 years ago, the company had only used their patented design for tubular or carbon-alloy wheelsets. For each In The Know Cycling review, I evaluate category-specific criteria in four groups â performance, design, quality, and cost. Have a look here if you can read German or data⦠these are all iterations of basically the same family (with a few odd balls) - an âuglyâ (to the air), well shaped bad dimensions, medium, through âperfect as it getsâ with the same tire, the same-ish spokes, three versions of the same hub family (or similar), and rim types (shallow ugly, shallow well shaped, mid-ugly, mid-well mid-shape, mid-nicely shaped, nicely shaped wide rim) Tested and re-tested on the track using both our cotton and race The pair we tested weighed 1466 grams without tape or valve stems, about 50 grams less than what HED claims. My subjective experience of those 303 NSWs is that they are fast and snappy but perhaps slightly less snappy when hammering out of saddle and rocking bike than I would have wanted/expected for the price – at the same time, Iâve never tested (and canât test) any other carbon wheelset, rim or disc, for comparison. They did acknowledge the breeze but it didnât affect our steering or cause us to do anything unnatural. For enthusiasts, it doesn’t until you’ve gotten the most out of your training and technique and even then, perhaps only for those that are also racing at high amateur levels. Ever the hardman, Miles found them very comfortable at 70-75psi over rougher roads even though we weigh much the same. Taking them out of the box created one of those rare moments when I say to myself, âWow. Winspace Hyper - these are probably fine, but I’d say these aren’t proven. No. If you are a racer or enjoy the competition of group rides, lateral stiffness matters more to you than compliance, aka vertical stiffness. 3 – Yes, at least as far as the I can tell from the specs of the new Firecrest though Zipp says it is better suited than the NSW for both. Steve. vs $930GBP (https://www.lightbicycle.com/700C-Gravel-Optimized-Aero-Shape-46mm-depth-hand-built-carbon-road-disc-wheels---28mm-wide-and-tubeless-compatible.html ). 1. The criteria that matter most in those groups for the best all-around wheels for road disc bikes are as follows: Performance: Versatility, aerodynamics, crosswind management, stiffness, acceleration, comfort, and handling. The schwalbe is the lightest fastest tyre approved for use. I've raced my LTK-118 in PRT crits like Gateway Cup (we averaged 31.5 mph in two races) and Sunny King and other big crits like Snake Alley, so pretty diverse courses with about as extreme power outputs as you're likely to find in a criterium (95+ 600w surges at Sunny King, 1400w sprints, 800w surges on cobbled switchbacks at Snake Alley, etc.) Though their weight measures middle of the pack and they certainly can climb, they wouldnât be my first choice for a long ride with a lot of hills and steeper climbs. With the 25C Zipp Tangente Speed road tubeless inflated to 65 psi where I run my tubeless tires, the Aero 46 DB werenât comfortable. â Why Buy a Road Disc Bike I assume they are not an option, but Iâd recommend the Bontrager Aeolus Pro 37. I didn’t mention before that except from the DT Swiss wheelset, I also own a Mavic Cosmic Pro SL UST disc wheelset (it was a present). Others may disagree. 1. My mates Zipps (I canât remember if theyâre 303 or 404) have had no end of hub problems and heâs not a heavy rider. Leicht, schnell â und für alle Terrains: elf Laufräder mit mittleren Felgenhöhen von 24 bis 35 Millimetern und zwischen 400 und 1800 Euro im RennRad-Test. There is a healthy strava culture here and at 42 years old I can still compete ð My weight is typically 80-82 kg and my FTP is around 320 watts. - Aerodynamic profile for decreased air resistance. Hope thatâs enough info, many thanks in advance for your advice. But clearly on a 25mm internal almost any tire will exceed the 105 rule. And if you branch out to do some mixed surface, gravel or cyclocross riding, the Vanquish 4 offers a lot of versatility as you can run 25C, 28C or wider tires with good sidewall support on these rims which measure 21.3mm internal width. Steve. Alan, havenât tested the 45s but Iâd imagine they are much the same as the 33s in terms of their Performance relative to other wheel sets. So many choices!!! Also of note, the 4.5 AR was tested with the old (wider) Pro One TLE rather than the narrower recent version. After a lot of thought, and a play around on bikecalculator, I confirmed that everything else being equal, weight is actually much less important than youâd think. They provided wheels to a bunch of youtube guys and spamming web forums to generate buzz, which is why they are on the map. So stoked! You can see the review of the tires and the best places to get them here: https://intheknowcycling.com/tubeless-bike-tires/#Prices. Many thx for your replies which has helped clarify a few things and look forward to your pending Zipp article concerning their announcement. lower rolling resistance than is possible with even a tubeless set up”. let alone the simpler considerations of other contact points like how cushiony your bar wraps or how comfortable your shoes are or how much compliance is built into your bike. The XXX 4s are âstiff enoughâ to climb and sprint but they are more in the middle of this all-around carbon clincher pack compared to others on this criterion. It is certainly fast and stiff, as you would expect from a wheelset this depth. That stiffness along with the rear hub engagement make these wheels very responsive, fast to accelerate, and good on climbs. Your email address will not be published. Click here to read about who we are, what we do, and why.Â. Click Road Bike Wheels – How To Choose The Best For You, Click on any red statement below to go directly to that part of the post, Third generation carbon disc wheelsets now outperform rim brake ones, A handful of performance criteria matter most when choosing between different wheelsets, You have a half dozen good options to choose from including a Best Performer, Compare wheelset performance, prices, and specs for the wheelsets I reviewed in this chart, Why I may not have included wheelsets you’ve heard about. Overall, I always felt solidly planted riding these wheels. The Roval CLX 50 has a modern aerodynamic profile and maintains your momentum well. You can also get it directly using this link to ENVE. My limited experience of the brands, my summer Hunt aero wide have been excellent. In addition, spesh has released data showing that the Rapide actually performs a tad better aero-wise with the turbo cotton compared to the s-works tubeless 2bliss. Overall, Iâd say the ERC 1100 is predictable. Hitting a turn at speed carries more unknowns than rolling straight. Carbon disc wheelsets are a fast-growing and fast-changing category of cycling gear. Thank you for your response. The most notable takeaway for me after assembling this chart is how quickly things have changed and how much the latest generation of all-around wheels for road disc bikes are different than those for rim brake bikes. Road racing bikes with ultra-light carbon fibre frames undoubtedly provide the fastest ride, making this design of bike a hugely popular choice within the racing world. â Ride Faster: Training & Technique The other comparative factors they use are stiffness, acceleration, and weight. ??. Have you tried the Bora WTO 45? I have ridden the 303 S a handful of times but am not ready to comment on their performance yet. That said, Specialized does some very forward-looking things and others just to get a lot of looks. I had a similar issue with somehow changing the front preload and needing to readjust to get the rotor and caliper realigned. Which wheelset do you think is better (Bora vs Zipp)? Leaning towards the knights right now with the latter tied for second, but havenât heard much on the knights. Makes a little sense, on the face of it. Yet they are 3rd generation width (21mm internal, 28mm external) and tubeless-ready. Design specs like weight and rim width are worth noting but may or may not deliver the intended performance those specs are often associated with. â Value-Priced Wheels https://cyclingtips.com/2020/09/specialized-and-roval-have-stopped-investing-in-tubulars-heres-why/. Thanks! So are the hubs, which use the very solid DT240 internals Iâve come to know and very much enjoy. And that’s just the aero considerations. Winspace Hyper also look interesting. If I go with another wheelset, Iâm paying full retail and may have difficulty where Iâm located in getting good value on the C38s even selling them new, so weâre talking about a much bigger delta in price between Roval and Zipp/Enve. Ryan, the new 28mm Schwalbe measure 29.0mm at 60psi on the 25mm internal width 3.4 AR wheels I recently reviewed. Braking performance isn’t part of the disc brake wheelset evaluation since most hub and spoke systems on disc brake wheels effectively transfer the braking responsibility to the rotors and calipers. 2. Thank you so much for your in depth reviews and expertise! (1K feet/10 miles) But the Bora WTO wheels are unique. While my personal bias against occasional spoke and freehub noise doesnât affect these otherwise stiff and smooth-rolling wheels, I found the compliance or comfort of the 46 Aero DB to be their weak link. This is exactly my experience (and a UK guy here too). I didnât measure them with tubed clincher tires. The time difference on a hilly 60k loop between my (heavy and non-aero) winter bike and my (light and aero) summer bike is 3-4 minutes. Ultimately, I’d suggest you go with the wheelset you believe in for whatever combination of rational and emotional reasons because when you do, you will ride more confidently and happier with your choice. â 5 Beliefs About Gear Iâve Dropped Required fields are marked *. I just got myself a pair in the autumn, but have limited experience of them: it is winter here. â What You Need on Every Ride, Use the search bar at the top of the page to find a product we’ve reviewed by name, Help keep reviews free of ads and bias by buying your gear through links on the site. We did agree that the hubs rolled smoothly and the freehub audibly lets you know when it is coasting. More Durable â The best carbon rim brake wheels are using resins with high melting points to make it much harder for riders to warp them when they drag the brakes. Well as Miles and I learned, without it, the valve will come through the rim bed if, or in our cases when, the tire pressure exceeds about 80psi for any length of time. It’s out there. And, the i9.45 has lateral stiffness in spades. It looked a little tight with the 2019 Schwalbe’s when they would balloon out to nearly 32mm but the new Schwalbe’s with a measured width of 29.0mm should be perfect leaving lots of room. Thereâs something about my long-ago memories of driving a Chevrolet Corvette and my recent experience riding the Bontrager Aeolus XXX 4 wheels that connects. While all very interesting for nerdy types like you and me and perhaps some of our fellow enthusiasts, we should take some of this with a grain of salt e.g. I’ve not reviewed them and haven’t seen any actual posts from reviewers I trust that have ridden them enough to provide independent feedback on their actual performance.
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